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Canadian laws should be changed to require women to "cover themselves" to prevent sexual assaults, says an Islamic street preacher in Toronto.

Al-Haashim Kamena Atangana, a 33-year-old Islamic convert, called for legal change in response to recent sex attacks at York University.

Atangana is connected with a group called Muslim Support Network and is one of a number of street-corner clerics commonly seen at the Yonge and Dundas Sts.

In an e-mail to the Toronto Sun, Atangana said "the reason ... these sex attacks are continuously happening is because (of) Canadian laws, which give too much freedom to women" when it comes to how they dress.

"You should take your example from the way Muslim women dress," he wrote. "Why does (sic) Muslim women who wear long dress and covers her head aren't targeted for sex attacks?"

The clash between western culture and values and the beliefs of some Muslim adherents has been a source of controversy and conflict across North America.

Atangana, who plans to distribute his views on paper in the coming weeks, went on to state that "the reason ... a woman gets raped is because of the way she (dresses)," and suggests that "Toronto (become) the first city in North America to introduce laws that would make it illegal for women to dress provocatively."

If Toronto did this, Atangana said in an interview, other Canadian cities would follow suit.

"If (women) want to prevent being sexually assaulted, they should cover themselves," said Atangana, adding that while he doesn't expect Western women to dress as Muslim women do, they should have a "dress code" and take note of the burka the head scarf and face veil some Muslim females wear.

Atangana says he began planning to distribute his views after a recent spate of sex assaults at York University's Keele campus, and praised Const. Michael Sanguinetti, a Toronto police officer who ended up in hot water after telling students at a York University safety forum in January 2011 that women should avoid dressing like "sluts" if they didn't want to be victimized.

The website Atangana provided for his group, Muslimsupport.net, is sparsely populated but contains links to other sites that offer advice on conversion to Islam and Islamic dress, including such advice as this:

"Men must cover their body from the navel to the knees. But when praying he must also cover his shoulder."

"Women must cover their whole body except the face, hands and feet while inside. But they are also required to cover their whole body including a part of the face while going out, according to the majority of the Madhabs (school of thought)."

Moderate Muslim writer Tarek Fatah says Atangana's view is a stark example of radical Islamist misogyny. It is an example, Fatah says, of passages taken from the Qur'an, Islam's holy book, and exaggerated to fit an antiquated, patriarchal ideology such as that of the Muslim Brotherhood.

"This is not about what women wear," Fatah said. "This is about ... some Muslim men believing that any woman whose head is uncovered is fair game because she is lustful...and doesn't belong to the pious (Islamic) sisterhood."

Fatah says it is "hogwash" to think a woman wearing traditional Islamic dress will not be sexually assaulted, and points to an on-going problem of sexual harassment in Egypt, where Muslim faith dominates.

According to a 2008 report from the Egyptian Center for Women's Rights, 83% of Egyptian women had experienced some form of sexual harassment or assault at some point. And well, over half of those surveyed around 70% wore veils of some kind, particularly head scarves.

"These results disprove the belief that sexual harassment is linked to the way women dress," the report states. "This confirms that the stereotypical ideas of a patriarchal culture that blames women even if they are victims, is opposite to reality."

But Alia Hogben of the Canadian Council of Muslim Women sees things differently: Atangana's opinions are not as much to do with Islam as much as they reflect a general patriarchal desire among some men to control women.

"There is absolutely no connection between how women dress and being sexually assaulted," Hogben said, adding that other religions from Judaism to Christianity have traditional dress codes of their own. She did agree, however, that "good, pious" Muslim women are sexually harassed, despite wearing modest and traditional clothing.

"If (Atangana) thinks good, pious Muslim women are not sexually assaulted, he's wrong. If he thinks this is not happening in India or Egypt ... it is not true."

As for Atangana, who converted to Islam in 1998 after finding the Trinity of Christianity the belief in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit too "confusing," he remains steadfast in his views.

"Women here should have a dress code," he says. "That would prevent sexual assault."

terry.davidson@sunmedia.ca

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  1. Pale Rider's Avatar
    We must be people of action to keep this plague from over coming us.
  2. Marlene38EE's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider
    We must be people of action to keep this plague from over coming us.
    I couldn't possibly agree any more than I do! We also need more Normal muslims speaking out with far stronger voices about this also.
    I DO and will continue to try to keep a seperation between extremists/fundamentalists and Normal muslims. I have to, from a sense of justice.
  3. comsmith22's Avatar
    Marlene...
    I had been dealing these lunatics for al most 15 years when I retired 13 years ago... you are now seeing the ways they worm their way into every day life in your country ,or any other country for tat matter.... give them and the steal a Mile and demand 5 more as compensation for taking so long ... The True Wake Up Call was September 11th 2001 and it was a call to the entire world... When it comes to Islam... you stand with them or against them there is no middle of the lane with them... and the only way to deal with them is .... Terminal one way or the other ... I found that out in September of 1975... Their first Notice to the World was the Taking of the US embassy in Tehran in 1979 and since then they have moved like bulldozers.
    Updated 07-18-2012 at 08:36 PM by comsmith22
  4. GhostRider's Avatar
    Yes consmith because there are NO Christian Terrorists right? SERIOUSLY!? Or Sikh ones?

    Do you even KNOW who invented suicide bombing in the modern world?

    Unless many of the the Muslim terrorists seeking to blowup America are black converts, I think we're safe okay sweetie?
  5. Marlene38EE's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by comsmith22
    Marlene...
    I had been dealing these lunatics for al most 15 years when I retired 13 years ago... you are now seeing the ways they worm their way into every day life in your country ,or any other country for tat matter.... give them and the steal a Mile and demand 5 more as compensation for taking so long ... The True Wake Up Call was September 11th 2001 and it was a call to the entire world... When it comes to Islam... you stand with them or against them there is no middle of the lane with them... and the only way to deal with them is .... Terminal one way or the other ... I found that out in September of 1975... Their first Notice to the World was the Taking of the US embassy in Tehran in 1979 and since then they have moved like bulldozers.
    If nothing else, our small city will become an island of sanity in an ocean of militant islam. They can burn us down, but we'll fight first as opposed to be forcibly islamified.
    Kinda worried about the future, and that 62% of Canadian muslims want sharia law instituted.
  6. Marlene38EE's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRider
    Yes consmith because there are NO Christian Terrorists right? SERIOUSLY!? Or Sikh ones?

    Do you even KNOW who invented suicide bombing in the modern world?

    Unless many of the the Muslim terrorists seeking to blowup America are black converts, I think we're safe okay sweetie?
    62% of Canadian muslims want sharia law, and sooner or later they'll pressure a weaker-brained than normal federl gov't and then it'll be instituted. Our feds are the really weak link, as they kow to the courts.
    It's all going to be wait-and-see, all anyone can do is prepare and hope it all doesn't go sideways. Forcible islamification can happen, and through courts easier than by force of arms...that's the real worry here, especially for our local Genuine Muslims who are VERY worried about sharia coming in as they came here to get away from the 'barbarism of islam-past'.
  7. GhostRider's Avatar
    62% of Muslims want Sharia law for THEMSELVES perhaps. The thing you have to understand about Islam is that it isnt like Christianity in that you can force someone to convert. Islam is a religion of PRACTICES and not just faith and belief like Christianity, so you really couldn't force someone to convert unless you lived with them and made them pray 5x/day etc.

    Beyond that, I highly doubt that stat. It seems like one of those bullshit stats that Republicans pull out their asses all the time.

    Most Muslims I know either don't particularly care about their religion and care about it only in a vague cultural way, or if they do care about their religion and pray 5x/day , they're certainly not looking to institute Sharia law etc.

    Perhaps a slightly higher % of Muslims are "terrorists" when you look at religions in general but its still such a low % that its silly to even talk about it imho.

    Besides, it depends on perspective: when other countries attack Israel its terrorism, when Israel attacks other countries its "defense."

    Personally ALL of the Abrahamic religions especially are all equally fucked up, only thing is that some/many Muslims take their fucked up religion more seriously than do Jews or Christians is all
  8. comsmith22's Avatar
    Looks Like "GR" will, or has already submitted to Islam and or Sharia... or will at the first sign of trouble... Just like "TPOTUS"...
    Like I said, I have seen the "retributions", the striking back at folks with Car Bombs in Market places to Bombing and Torching and burning to the ground of Churches... with the worshipers still inside... by Muslim extremists... from Europe in the 70's to Indonesia and Malaysia, Thailand, and Philippines in the 80's and 90's before the current on slot of Islam spreading across the world...
    I was at the Olympics in 1972 when Black september Made their Presence know. I was also in Europe and was an Observer at the Taking of children in schools, and 1977 Business men and women on a Commuter train as Hostages... I knew the family of the Sailor who was Murdered and thrown from the TWA flight 847 and I went to Scuba School the Sailor I can go to several more specifics in dealing with the Peace Loving Muslims...
    I just love the way Islam allows a man to Murder His wife and children if they Dis Honor him to Islam...
    Islam's IF the Followers of Islams convert to Any other religon... then why are they are Marked Tracked down and Executed...

    Let me see if you can understand this....


    Now ... Where's the real problem?

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Hindus = No Problem

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    Muslims living with Muslims = Big problem

    Obama raised as Muslim, and levels of unity in America are dropping = problem

    Hmmmmm, I wonder where all the problems are coming from?'
    Updated 07-24-2012 at 05:36 PM by comsmith22
  9. Marlene38EE's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRider
    62% of Muslims want Sharia law for THEMSELVES perhaps. The thing you have to understand about Islam is that it isnt like Christianity in that you can force someone to convert. Islam is a religion of PRACTICES and not just faith and belief like Christianity, so you really couldn't force someone to convert unless you lived with them and made them pray 5x/day etc.

    Beyond that, I highly doubt that stat. It seems like one of those bullshit stats that Republicans pull out their asses all the time.

    Most Muslims I know either don't particularly care about their religion and care about it only in a vague cultural way, or if they do care about their religion and pray 5x/day , they're certainly not looking to institute Sharia law etc.

    Perhaps a slightly higher % of Muslims are "terrorists" when you look at religions in general but its still such a low % that its silly to even talk about it imho.

    Besides, it depends on perspective: when other countries attack Israel its terrorism, when Israel attacks other countries its "defense."

    Personally ALL of the Abrahamic religions especially are all equally fucked up, only thing is that some/many Muslims take their fucked up religion more seriously than do Jews or Christians is all
    Ipsos-Reid poll, confirmed and vetted. Those are final Net figures, too...
    I used to work for Ipsos-Reid (may as well let that kitty have some fresh air) and I know how they boil figures down to get the Net...so that 62% you can bank on. They don't play Liberal games with facts and figures, which is why they're still trusted.
    The % of fundamentalists, and they pretty much equate out as terrorists is relatively low, yes--but there's nearly 2 Billion muslims in the world, and 1% is how many millions??

    I honestly could care less about Israel's problems with it's neighbours because of the things happening here on our doorstep.
    Our Household (despite enormous and steady pressure from many directions) remains religion-free, always will. Because we have some issues with religion in general. BUT, we do respect others rights to worship and have religious friends who respect our choices also in-kind.

    The fundies of any religion believe everyone should follow their faith, or be destroyed/shunned/etc.. The fundies here have made it CLEAR that our city WILL accept sharia, and WILL submit to islam, and WILL accept mutaween instead of RCMP police protection.
    Women (including myself and Brianna) are increasingly being harrassed more and more by them, sexual assault by muslim males has gone up, and our Genuine Muslim community is under steady pressure/harrassment/attack by these microcephalic fundamentalist bastards. There have been open attacks on gay members of our community also, not fatalities yet, but that's a 'Yet'...
    They've also royally torqued off the local Reservation, and the Natives are siding with us--but want blood, and have made it very clear to the fundies that if they ever set foot on Native land again, it's a death penalty. Think 'Oka Crisis' but this would be about a LOT more than a stupid golf course...
    They've threatened our city council and chamber of commerce regarding compliance with and passage of Sharia acceptance, and have told the local RCMP detachment not to interfere in 'Muslim affairs' or there'd be 'severe consequences'.

    Now, factor this charming bit of news in...oh, goody, fundies with their fave tools of conversion...Chinese AK-47s.

    http://www.infowars.com/fewer-canada...on-union-says/

    We each must walk our own path, but I am keeping watch on them, because this is all very much like how Nazis got their start and we all know how well that turned out. This is all only the start of what's to come, and take a look at what's happening in the UK and Europe with PolCorr greasing the wheels....
    It's happening there, it will soon be happening here.
  10. Marlene38EE's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by comsmith22
    Looks Like "GR" will, or has already submitted to Islam and or Sharia... or will at the first sign of trouble... Just like "TPOTUS"...
    Like I said, I have seen the "retributions", the striking back at folks with Car Bombs in Market places to Bombing and Torching and burning to the ground of Churches... with the worshipers still inside... by Muslim extremists... from Europe in the 70's to Indonesia and Malaysia, Thailand, and Philippines in the 80's and 90's before the current on slot of Islam spreading across the world...
    I was at the Olympics in 1972 when Black september Made their Presence know. I was also in Europe and was an Observer at the Taking of children in schools, and 1977 Business men and women on a Commuter train as Hostages... I knew the family of the Sailor who was Murdered and thrown from the TWA flight 847 and I went to Scuba School the Sailor I can go to several more specifics in dealing with the Peace Loving Muslims...
    I just love the way Islam allows a man to Murder His wife and children if they Dis Honor him to Islam...
    Islam's IF the Followers of Islams convert to Any other religon... then why are they are Marked Tracked down and Executed...

    Let me see if you can understand this....


    Now ... Where's the real problem?

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Hindus = No Problem

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    Muslims living with Muslims = Big problem

    Obama raised as Muslim, and levels of unity in America are dropping = problem

    Hmmmmm, I wonder where all the problems are coming from?'
    Please accept our Condolences, sincere and heartfelt, from all of us for the loss of your friend.

    Comms, you have just outlined very neatly everything I've been discovering for myself about islam and fundie muslims, TY very much for putting it here, I really appreciate it!! May I also use it in other places on the web and SSP?? Your points are very well made and illustrated.
    I won't criticize GR for his views, he has his rights to them, but I hope he does take a look at what's happening in the world around us.
    As you point out, muslims don't get along with their own kind very well at all--again a thing I can drop at the feet of the fundies, based on history and what our Genuine Muslims are experiencing here.
    They came here to get AWAY from all that sharia and fundie nonsense, but...
  11. GhostRider's Avatar
    All I will say is that my experience of Muslims has been genuinely very good, and that what I fear isn't "creeping sharia" (which btw Marlene is the name of a really $hitty blog devoted to that topic).

    Muslims dont affect my gf's right to have an abortion or my brother's right to get married to the man of his choosing - its Christians that do that.

    It wasn't Muslims that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing MILLIONS of innocents, it was Christians.
    It wasn't Muslims that invaded Iraq - it was "Christians" who did so and unleashed a shitstorm that killed thousands both Muslim and Christian.

    Oh and consmith, if you think that Christians have lived peacefully with ANY other religion prior to say the 20th century you just don't know enough history. It was Christians that ran the British Empire that brutally enslaved Africans, invaded India and treated them as subhuman, and killed the Native Americans in a mass genocide.

    Your "no problem - problem" list is so riddled with inaccuracies I have no idea where to start.

    There's no need to completely distort history to fit your ends mate - Muslims HAVE historically been among the more intolerant religions on earth, but there's no need to pretend that the rather devilish Christianity and Jewism are any better in theory, though they have been in practice. And for that matter Hindus and Buddhists are not without fault when it comes to mass exterminations either (read the history of India and Sri Lanka for that).

    The problem guys isnt that you are wrong about Islam per se, its that you fail to realize that ALL other religions are the same to a greater or lesser degree especially the Abrahamic ones.
    Updated 07-26-2012 at 10:48 PM by GhostRider
  12. comsmith22's Avatar
    "GR"... You are too young to know about WWII so don't even go there... and the Decision to Drop those Bombs saved as many more Lives as it took ON Both sides but you obviously never studied history or read the diaries of Eisenhower and Truman... otherwise you would know ... http://personal.ashland.edu/~jmoser1/abomb.htm
    The decision was made after the fall of Okinawa... a small island in the south of the Ryukyu Island chain of Japan. The cost of Men and Material was astronomical 80,000 + US and Japanese 225,000 -250,000... for an Island 69 miles Long, 16 miles at its widest point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa
    To take on 3 main Home and dozens of outlying Islands would have cost an estimated 1.5 to 2 million Americana and Alies ...the Japanese, as many as 10 to 15 million Japanese... with complete devistation of all major and minor cities, towns, , villages, and most all of the hamlets. It would have added another 14 to 18 months on to the war.

    That Bomb excuse, don"t fly here...

    Now...

    How many other religious fanatics have Hijacked planes over the last 40 years blown up, Killed specific passengers, held for political ransom or used for direct Impact weapons... How many Acts of terrorism have the Muslims inflicted in the Last 25 years on christians worshiping in churches... ... Please don't go on a rant with an unloaded tongue...
    I see your Jihad and raise you a crusade every time...

    As far as the Brit's and the Colonies of their Empire and Slaves, you missed again... It was the marauding Arabs conquering the African territories (The Code of Hammurabi is a well-preserved Babylonian law code, dating back to about 1772 BC)... enslaving the people who refused Islam... Thats a fact... the "Quran said it was permissible to enslave Non-believers and sell them for profit... all the White Man did was buy the slaves and transport them around the globe ... and Keep in mind the Brit's you mentioned were the Second to outlaw slave trade After Spanish... The Dutch continued till all the Royal Houses in Europe baned the practice in the late 1819 ...a single company East India Trading Company continued till they were forced to stop or be shut down By the Crown in 1823...
    Every thing you pointed out , is just as You said ... " is so riddled with inaccuracies I have no idea where to start. "

    You fail to take into consideration in modern Times... as the Western Nations and Cultures, calmed down and the religions became more tolerant, Islam became more aggressive and less tolerant...

    Don't forget that Hittler had 2 Divisions of Islamic troops in the Balkins and South Eastern Europe Specificly to asist with the "Final Solution" The Dealing with Non Arians and the Jews...
    http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/medig.../arabnazi.html
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfLvP...ipcontrinter=1
    http://www.educationnews.org/breaking_news/106849.html
    http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

    I think you get the Picture...

    As for Iraq... which time we have been in there twice. The second time was to finish the job snot nosed Politicians would not let us finish the first time...
    Personally I think they should have left it alone and let the bastards fight it out and when the "cutting and shooting was done" they could send the UN Peace Keepers go in with "Non US/UK/Nato " troops and let them shoot it out with them ... again...
    There is never going to be Peace in that area... too many little pricks wanting to be the Head Master...

    The Bad thing is all I have done is made you mad and pissed you off... with simple with facts of history that go back to times before you were born ... and fueled you dislike for America... and probably her Allies... But what ever...
    so from this point ... You're a "Loose Cannon on Deck... !!!"

    Don't Mess with a Military Retiree and History Major...
    It's bed Time and I don't have time to teach World History...

    Now any wagers on the Crap Hitting the Fan In London??? and who is going to start it...
    Updated 07-29-2012 at 06:55 AM by comsmith22
  13. GhostRider's Avatar
    You failed to refute any of my points, other than the A-bomb one, but even then you fail to realize that the necessity of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs was and is under dispute. They certainly killed many many civillians and caused lymphomas and leukemias of many more for years afterward.

    Btw - i'm not talking about the 1800s, I'm talking about the Amritsar Massacre of the 1940s in India, which the BRITISH perpetrated upon peaceful Indians.

    The Brits and the Americans have been among the worst terrorists of the 20th century and wherever they went they have created destruction. The amount of chaos created by "Muslims" (btw do you realize how fucking stupid it is to class Saudi Muslims with Indonesian ones with Indian ones as one big homogenous group? Classing people by race, culture or country makes a little bit of sense, but classing them by religion makes almost none. Indonesian Muslims dont give a fuck about trying to blow up the West for example).

    If you truly were/are a history major you wouldn't be so blatantly biased against a particular religion while seemingly forgive all trespasses by other religions, or did you go to Arizona State?
  14. Marlene38EE's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRider
    All I will say is that my experience of Muslims has been genuinely very good, and that what I fear isn't "creeping sharia" (which btw Marlene is the name of a really $hitty blog devoted to that topic).

    Muslims dont affect my gf's right to have an abortion or my brother's right to get married to the man of his choosing - its Christians that do that.

    It wasn't Muslims that dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing MILLIONS of innocents, it was Christians.
    It wasn't Muslims that invaded Iraq - it was "Christians" who did so and unleashed a shitstorm that killed thousands both Muslim and Christian.

    Oh and consmith, if you think that Christians have lived peacefully with ANY other religion prior to say the 20th century you just don't know enough history. It was Christians that ran the British Empire that brutally enslaved Africans, invaded India and treated them as subhuman, and killed the Native Americans in a mass genocide.

    Your "no problem - problem" list is so riddled with inaccuracies I have no idea where to start.

    There's no need to completely distort history to fit your ends mate - Muslims HAVE historically been among the more intolerant religions on earth, but there's no need to pretend that the rather devilish Christianity and Jewism are any better in theory, though they have been in practice. And for that matter Hindus and Buddhists are not without fault when it comes to mass exterminations either (read the history of India and Sri Lanka for that).

    The problem guys isnt that you are wrong about Islam per se, its that you fail to realize that ALL other religions are the same to a greater or lesser degree especially the Abrahamic ones.
    If you want to expand into Overview, not a problem.
    I've listened to what Husband has told of his an John's experiences across the world--in places the News NEVER mentions and Navy SEALs wouldn't walk into if you put guns to the heads of their children.
    The one common denominator amongst all those Hells on this world that most of us are bliddfully ignorant of is this:
    Religion
    There's a solid Reason Husband will NOT allow religion withon our home and anyone trying to inflict it upon our kids, thinking they can sway them with beautiful words and such will find themselves facing me--IF they're LUCKY.
    If not, they'll be playing a few rounds of 'Can your god save you from me' with Husband.

    My own research, down into history, and across all religions--NONE of them are bloodless--points out one single thing:
    It is the single most devisive thing affecting Humanity.
    By itself, it's accounted for more death, maiming, mayhem and sheer destruction than anything short of a Nova hitting our world.
    And a Nova is about all that can approach it.
    ALL of them are Exclusionary. All of them are drenched in oceans of blood, and most often it's Innocent blood--killed because 'god done told me to'.
    How long have I dug into it? 5 years, steadily, and while it is a life's work, I went for an overview with some, not intrinsic, details, because I am not going to allow it more of my time than can be avoided despite my seeking Facts.
    Muslims are simply the most recent would-be god-blessed conquerors out to re-make the world as they see fir--they're nothing new, just the most recent to do so.
    This is their Crusades.
    That said, they will be dealt with according to the trouble they cause.
    Sharia Law has been Absolutely and Perpetually Banned here in our city, as are sharia-ispired/derived laws. If any attempts are made to coerce our council, citypeople, etc. to become islamified...that's a lot more trouble than the fundies want to even imagine, let alone deal with. We've been watching the islamification of Britain, Spain, Europe and been following the crime stats and such--and by 'we' I mean more than just lil ol' me here. I'me of 20+ researcher/trackers here in our city...Intel gathering.
    We know what's coming, and we'll not have it. They can adapt to us, or leave. The sole remaining option is if they dare raise arms against us and we will put them down, and hard, with finality.
    Our local Native tribe wants their heads (literally) for illegally siezing/occupying Tribal lands to build a mosque that was NOT given approval by either city or Native Councils.
    These guys ain't 'casino' injuns...these are Natives that have held to the old ways and are restoring what they lost. No alcohol, tobacco for ceremony only, 'tizwynn' is the only alcohol they drink, at celebrations, and that goes back thousands of years. They're NOT to be trifled with lightly.
    That's the tip of the iceberg here. We're seeing more and more unofficial mutaween patrols, and they do NOT just harrass muslims, they claim authority 'over muslim and dhimmi alike'.
    Look up that word; 'dhimmi'...that's how these jackasses see us.
    Sharia creeps like Kudzu vine....hence my term 'creeping sharia'.
    We'd react the same if it were Christians or Hindus or whatever doing the same--we will NOT allow ourselves to be altered/conquered by some silly little bunch of delusionary half-wits of ANY kind.
    Updated 08-09-2012 at 11:21 PM by Marlene38EE
  15. comsmith22's Avatar
    Well ... Like I said... there is no use in Teaching History to folks Who know it all... and have limited contacts in the areas being Discussed especially Asia... Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand ... Let alone South West Asia, the Middle East and Africa. ( and Yes I have many friends still in the areas some retired and moved there... some are still there serving ... )

    Americans were Isolationists till WWII ... then the beginning of the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union and Communist China till the Fall of the Soviet Union in 1989-90 and Bill Clinton sold US out the Chinese in 1996...

    but Like I said there is no since in teaching History to one so young and Knows it all...

    ... "GR" Looks like another Loose Cannon... "nough said"
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    Quote Originally Posted by comsmith22
    Well ... Like I said... there is no use in Teaching History to folks Who know it all... and have limited contacts in the areas being Discussed especially Asia... Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand ... Let alone South West Asia, the Middle East and Africa. ( and Yes I have many friends still in the areas some retired and moved there... some are still there serving ... )

    Americans were Isolationists till WWII ... then the beginning of the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union and Communist China till the Fall of the Soviet Union in 1989-90 and Bill Clinton sold US out the Chinese in 1996...

    but Like I said there is no since in teaching History to one so young and Knows it all...

    ... "GR" Looks like another Loose Cannon... "nough said"
    That's the part that really disturbs me....
    Everyone sees what's happening, but in their fat-assed complacency, they call folks like you and I 'Alarmists' and such. I've uncovered a LOT about islam, and now more than ever I'm convinced, and can back my claims, that it's a cult--NOT a religion, although to be fiar, that's a damn thin line anyways.
    They can, and are expected to, LIE to non-muslims if it's in the service of islamic interests...and then there's all those folks who've left islam, and are constant;y facing death threats for speaking out, even in personal blogs and such.
    Charming...and NOT something I want near me.
    The facts are the facts, and they are that islam is a very dangerous ideology, and actively promotes violence, slavery and a variety of atrocities in the name of itself and it's primary figures.
    The Genuine Muslims here, thought, they're something else again...they're Muslim Reformists, and want islam to be an ideology of true peace and acceptance under a live-and-let-live model, where they can learn and include things from others and vice versa.
    This year, they plan to adopt the Chistmas Tree into islam as it's an ancient symbol of life, hope, love and such...
    They're Idealists. But good people. They're as far away from the fundamentalists as one can be and still breathe Oxygen.
    They've publicly referred to the fundamentalists here, and abroad as 'deluded apostates' and 'living shame to allah, islam and muslims'.
    You can imagine how 'fond' the fundamentalists here are of them...

    The whole China situation...there's something I'm looking into, with help from a friend of hubby's in Japan about the chemical composition of plastic bottling products and plastic-based food containers/packaging...BPS/BPA, something like that.
    The test is this: same products that are sold in china and abroad, the packaging and such will be tested for the levels of such chemical.
    Updated 08-09-2012 at 11:35 PM by Marlene38EE
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    Such a wonderful thing ... Islam... so peaceful... so tolerant...

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...-in-india.html

    Do you know how long the United States, Has been dealing with Islam and Muslims...??? ... since 1784... only 8 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence, and in the Middle of the Revolutionary war...

    The First encounter Between Islam and The US...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

    Do you know why President Thomas Jefferson, the 3rd president of the US, had a Qur'an on his Desk... As Son Tzu said... " To defeat your enemy, you must first know your enemy and you must also know yourself"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

    "GR" you are right... this is noting new... But remember, so far, we have only played "Cavalry to the Rescue" ... Thanks to our Politicians... We Have Not said F**k the Politicians... yet ... .and started playing Cowboys and Muslims … yet ...

    ..."From the Halls of Montezuma,To the shores of Tripoli;"...

    Thank You my Marine Brothers... Simper Fi...
    Updated 08-12-2012 at 01:36 PM by comsmith22
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    Interesting Story In the News today...

    http://americac2c.com/profiles/blogs...sg_mes_network
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    Don't Want any one to think we are not Keeping up with the Fit hitting the Shan...


    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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